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Sooooo Slooooooow

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Re: Sooooo Slooooooow

And have moved the scripts onto our own server so any similar issues should be fixed in the future.

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Sooooo Slooooooow

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I'm not noticing this myself, but it makes sense that this might cause issues. I've removed the
calls to adsotrans for now and I'll move scripts onto our server next week. Are you finding
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Radiolab - Musical language

Interesting radio show:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2007/09/25

" What is music? How does it work? Why does it move us? Why are some people better at it than
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passable Polish (comprehension better than...

passable Polish (comprehension better than speaking like in most cases), got it for free from my
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let me tell you, the grammar in that language makes Chinese look like baby-talk :wall

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Sunday, June 8, 2008

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daofeishi -

I currently working in Yinchuan, and I'm trying to teach myself Chinese (with the help of many
good friends.)

I've just started reading cartoons and simple textbooks for children, as I've picked up quite a
lot of characters by now. The problem is, I'm still struggling a bit with the grammar. I came over
this sentence in a 加菲 strip:

没有什么好消息可以告诉你的

I understand the meaning: "I don't have any good news to tell you," but I don't understand what
the final 的 does. I would probably have said: "没有什么好消息可以告诉你." Can anyone
explain?

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stephanhodges -

There's a construct shi4....de (是。。。的）which gives emphasis to the "subject" of the
inner clause. The "shi4" can be omitted. There's also another case where the object "after" the de
的 can be omitted. Instead of saying "It's my car" you can say "it's mine"... for example.

In this case, I read it as a sort of passive sentence. "There isn't any good news that I can tell
you".

My Chinese level isn't that good, so I'm actually posting this here with the expectation of having
my ideas "corrected" Best way to learn, sometimes.

stephanhodges -

BTW, I hope you noticed that the translation does not say "I have no...". I really think its a
more passive tense in this case. But, Chinese tends to be more circumlocutious anyways.

daofeishi -

I do know the 是....的 structure. If I were to write the sentence out without omitting the 是,
would it then be "没有什么好消息是可以告诉你的"? Is it possible to say
"没有什么好消息可以告诉你"？

renzhe -

Think of this as:

没有什么好 (可以告诉你的) 消息

The 可以告诉你 part is the attribute of the noun 消息, and this is shown through the
particle 的.

没有什么大的消息
没有什么好的消息
没有什么有意思的消息
没有什么可以告诉你的消息

skylee -

Consider -

(我是)沒有甚麽好消息可以告訴你的。

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Esezti -

Sorry, that busting in random forum, but a friend asked to find what this message could mean.

Anyone can help? Any assistance is appreciated. Once again, sorry for intruding here.

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calibre2001 -

'You've logged on too many times, please try again later'

bamboo -

could be: "you have exceeded the bandwidth (of our server), please try again later!"

because 頻 is bandwidth..

xiaocai -

"过于频繁" does not mean "exceeding the bandwidth", but "too frequent" here.
"Bandwidth" is "带宽" in most simplified chinese OSs.(Brainless word to word translation, I have
to say.)

bamboo -

how about : " You have logged in over the frequency limit of our band,please try again later"
since 繁 means limit。

monto -

频繁 means frequently ( often over-done)
繁: 1) numerous;manifold 2) multiply

skylee -

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Originally Posted by bamboo

since 繁 means limit。

really? could you show us where we can find this definition?

monto -

频：frequent
频率：frequency (literally frequent rate)
频带：band of frequency
带宽=频带宽：bandwidth

bamboo -

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really? could you show us where we can find this definition?

skylee

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Brainless word to word translation

xiaocai

when I learn a new word, I try to relate "intended" meaning to the "constituent" meanings.
Sometimes such "links" are not too obvious. But it is such "links" that make the words yours. I
try not use "brainless" word to word translation.

Maybe I am wrong in ascribing the meaning of "limit" to 繁 whose general or dictionary or DIRECT
meanings of: many, numerous, manifold, etc... is implying something which is limitless. BUT I will
always remember this word in future because I have associated/linked the meaning as such. (Does
this make any sense to you? ) Language to me is rarely cut and dried. Black or White.
Straightforward. Logical etc... Above all, it must be 靠谱。 i.e you can use it and makes
effective sense to others...Amazing isn't it such words and we are still talking about 中文词
can be invented straight out of “thin air" and you think hurh? where is the relationship? you
say .. when you meet a new word you have not come across? It is not in my dictionary? How come? My
teacher didn't sanction this? It is possible? .
Anyway it makes mighty sense to me...

I have just joined this board.. so I have enormous problems trying to post and re-edit my
thoughts. Anyway what I am saying is this method may not work for all. like gougou says below I am
associating with the "wrong" meaning. Well everyone to his own I guess.
If everything has to be so "strictly" interpreted then 谱 would never be in 靠谱！

Chinese is not my first or native language. This is sort of the board for that I guess. I am just
finding with characters there is enormous flexibility and learning them is different from learning
alphabetically base phonetic languages so one should strive not to be too translating of things
word for word..(xiaocai?)

gougou -

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BUT I will always remember this word in future because I have associated/linked the meaning as
such.

Huh? So your vocabulary learning strategy is to associate words with the wrong meaning? Not sure
whether remembering them always is really the goal I'd strive for then.

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Saturday, June 7, 2008

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renzhe -

I can hear the difference, though, and I also notice a difference when I speak.

I also know from my mother tongue, Croatian, that the 'h' can be pronounced in different ways,
though it is written the same.

I think that any such classification will be an approximation at a certain level.

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Soramd -

One of us is leaving, so we (one male, one female) need a roommate by the end of this month for a
three bedroom apartment with a kitchen, balcony, livingroom,
television,dvdplayer,wii,refrigerator, air conditioner, washing machines, microwave ovens and
electric stove, free wifi, 24-hour hot water and etc, and also a very reasonable price 1.850 rmb/
month ( exclude electricity and water ),I'd better wish my roommate comes from English speaking
country. and no smoking.

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Friday, June 6, 2008

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roddy -

I've been reading a bit about Yan Lianke and it looks like his stuff might be quite interesting.
He's had a few books banned, a few published, and admits to censoring what he writes in order to
get it published. The description of Serve the People didn't really interest me - desecration of
revolutionary images, sex, yawn - but he's won a couple of prestigious awards so I thought I might
give his short stories a look.

Anyone read any or got any advice on where to start? I was going to look at 年月日, a short
story collection which won the Lu Xun award in 2000.

Here's a Wikipedia link for you, just because I can, and more on ESWN

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zhwj -

I've only read his long stuff, I'm afraid. He himself considers Serve the People a minor work.
Banning does weird things to aesthetic standards. But the novel 受活 is great fun and does
interesting things with local culture and extensive footnotes.

He's not universally praised, however. A couple of years ago I was talking to Fan Wen 范稳,
author of bestselling novels about foreigners in western Sichuan and Tibet, and he didn't consider
Yan Lianke a real writer, just someone who was playing with words.

Tell us how his short stuff turns out.

roddy -

年月日 was out of stock on amazon.cn, so ended up ordering 受活 - will see how I get on with
it.

roddy -

收活 turned up today - a quick flick through seems quite promising, there's some interesting
stuff in the footnotes. Not sure when I'll get to it as 三体 was in the same delivery, which is
much more tempting, and I've also (and don't ask me how, I don't know) ended up reading a chunk of
曾子墨's autobiography. She's started to really irritate me, but I'm far enough in I think I
might just finish out of bloody-mindedness.

roddy -

About a third of the way through, really enjoying it. The village scenes are great fun, without
turning anyone into comedy peasants - or for that matter comedy cripples, the back story of the
village and how 茅枝婆 ended up there (just finished the footnote on 入社) is keeping me
interested, and I suspect there's going to be a whole load of enjoyment to be had from the
茅枝婆 / 县长 conflict.

Also loving the writing - I find the village comes across very vividly and some of the images - a
man dressed up being like southern bananas on a northern date tree; post-snowfall trees holding
great white umbrellas - are arresting. The dialogue is also well done.

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LaoLiang -

I'd like to recommend the travel program 有多远走多远 - interesting hosts with interesting
destinations. On the same Channel there are also purchased programed that are dubbed to Chinese.
Cool stuff.

http://www.tctc.com.cn/2005/news_tnt/zt/zt_050629.htm

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Thursday, June 5, 2008

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Sgt_Strider -

Gato,

Most of the links in your post are dead. Do you think you can update them for us? I know this
thread is old, but it contains useful information.

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amego -

In the literal sense

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the Zhonghua Zihai, records a staggering 85,568 single characters, although even this fails to
list all characters known

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_character

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008

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floatingmoon -

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I read somewhere that he has already left TVB.....

Yes, 河國榮 left TVB, that's sad....less chance to see him on tv. But I hope audience get to
see him in other media production in the future.

Am I his fans? um...not really. But he is one of the actor that I like to see in drama.

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wannabeafreak -

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Gregory Charles Rivers 河國榮

Anyone heard of him? He speak fluent and clear Cantonese, and been involved in many TVB
productions for years.

A while ago, I saw a interview of him. It's interesting to know how he steps into the HK media
career.

Did you even bother to read this thread or just decide to read the last page and decide to post
this?

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I have a feeling he's gay. He used to be a student at my old school where he studied medicine for
a year. Seeing Leslie Cheung in one occasion in Australia, he decided to go to Hong Kong where his
idol was based. He did and has never gone back since.

What rubbish are you on? He's been married for 20 years. I met both him and his his wife.

Quest -

This is mandarin, but whose daughter is this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2L2eLzRzamI&feature=related
Have you spent more time on Chinese than she's been alive?

huisheng -

First of all, I have nothing against him or gay people. And I think one has issues thinking being
called gay is offensive. I'd offer an apology if Mr Rivers finds what I said offensive though. I
saw his name in the famous UNSW alumni list on Wikipedia. As the information there said he was a
Hong Kong-based actor, I was tempted to learn more about him. Unfortuantly what I got from
googling is pretty much what I said previously. So I assumed he was 40-ish and single. UNSW is one
of the best Unis in the country and people are dying to get into Medicine. Since he gave up his
study and thus a promising career opportunity because of his obsession over Cheung, and supposedly
he was never married, I suspected he was gay. Being gay makes one a minority. Being a minority
makes one different. Being different is worth knowing. This is how my logic went.

LaVandez -

This is the new reality that's creeping up on people who haven't been keeping watch. This is going
to be more and more common and less of a shock to people. I like having these people out there who
are just tearing it up when it comes to the language it's great to aspire to even if you never
reach the top of the mountain.

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randall_flagg -

I just got done with episode 9. This is the “ski-resort” episode. What an incredible
coincidence! Out of all the people in Beijing, the 2 people that are not supposed to meet actually
meet, who’d have thought that would ever happen… (I kind of did). Xiaofeng, Jianping and
Dangdang meet Dongbei and Juanzi during a ski-outing. Jianping avoids introducing his wife
(Xiaofeng) to Juanzi. Of course clever Xiaofeng knows that something is up. At first, she thinks
that Jianping is embarrassed because she (Xiaofeng) is too old and too ugly for him -- she thinks
that's why he's not introducing her. Xiaofeng than overhears Dongbei saying to his naive little
wife that she (Xiaofeng) is the housekeeper of the Song family. Whoops. That's not good. Of course
she's really pissed and leaves for home. Home his her mom's place, of course. I guess this pretty
much sums up the major developments of this episode.

Xiaofeng is really starting to tick me off, but Jianping ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed,
neither. I shouldn’t say this, since people get offended really easy, but this is just a curious
observation: maybe Xiaofeng is not only supposed to represent the disillusioned middle aged
housewife, but also the crazy menopause-haunted jealous dragon a lot of guys are scared of ending
up with?
What do ya’ll think of the opening scene, when Dangdang grandparents don’t want to let
Dangdang play with his little 游戏机. Weird, huh? This is not the first time this has happened,
either. And Grandma tells little Dangdang he should teach his mom to play this with this? Xiaofeng
should be taking pills, and lots of them!

Anyway, I got a couple of questions, wish someone could help me answer them:

What in the world is a 正高. It’s probably the position Jianping pretty ex-college/neighbour/
supposed lover is occupying, but what is it? I’d really like to know.

Also, about 20min 11sec into this marvellous episode, Xiaofeng says she now knows the true meaning
of 夫贵妻荣 . Well, good for her. But I don’t know what it means and would appreciate it if
someone were to share his or her wisdom with me.

One more thing about Xiaofeng: She’s at her parents’s (娘家) AGAIN. And Dangdang tries to
call her. Her cell phone clearly says 家, but she still doesn’t pick up the phone. A few hours
later she complains to her mom about the fact that Song Jiangping didn’t even call her. That’s
pretty mean, wouldn’t you agree? Make Grandma hate him, too.

Anyway, after all, she’s not that bad a person. She just has some issues, I don’t hate her or
anything, don’t get me wrong. And Song Jianping could certainly do better, too.

One last observation: Dangdang seems to be slightly hyper-active. Honestly. Have you ever seen him
just sit still? No. Most of the time he’s looks like he’s got ants in his pants.

To those of you who have not watched any more than 1-9. Do you think anyone will die before the
number 23 is over? I don't know why I'm asking, it's just that it seems time for something really
tragic to happen. Of course, someone already died, but we didn't really know him, right? And, like
I said before, I am still waiting for Jianping to mess up while he is performing surgery.

Ok, hope I got time for episode 10 tomorrow, but I’m afraid I’ve got too many classes and
另外一些事儿。

Randall

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johnmck -

I have finally got to episode 9! I like the plot but I find it is a bit slow (this could have more
to do with the fact that it has taken me 1.5 years to get this far than to do with the script).

I have the same question as Randall, what does 正高 mean? When I pop it into Babel Fish it
translates it as, "Orthometric height". From the individual characters I thought it my mean
"honourable", when I do a search on the internet its usage tends to imply something like
"(medical) consultant" or "the crème-de-la-crème expert". The usage in the episode tends to
imply something different. Does anyone know what it means?

yelei_1981 -

正高 is a title of technical post. It's short for "正高级技术职称" or something else. I
don't know how to explain it in English. Hope someone can explain more than that.

夫贵妻荣, If husband is rich/noble, his wife will be rich/noble too.

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Tuesday, June 3, 2008

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strawberry_only -

I think Steve's Chinese speaking is fantastic! I even think his 4 tones are very good too, however
I can not find any mistakes. I think if I let my parents listen to his tape then they could not
find out he is actually a westerner speaking Chinese.

However if I have to be fussy about his Chinese speaking then I d say he uses more conjunction
words than a native Chinese person does, like he uses more 但是，因为，可是。 but this is
not a problem though.

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L-F-J -

i really like his chinese and philosophy too, but i would not say he is without mistakes.

for example, he talks about having developed a near-native quality of pronunciation. but i've
hardly ever heard him pronounce the chinese X sound correctly. he makes it sound too much like an
english S.

i think his language skill like his ability to communicate in another language is awesome! and
thats what he was going for rather than trying to sound like a native. as long as he can sound
native enough to be understood.

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Adrian1310 -

Hi, ive gotten great answers from people here, so helpful, i found the character i want, but i
want it in detail not just a FONT CHARACTER, its gonna be for a tattoo so i like the brush strokes
in the character.

this character have three pronunciation
#1 miao4 as you said it's a surname
#2 miu4 means false or wrong
#3 mou2 it makes a word 绸缪 means lingering

THANK YOU

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Monday, June 2, 2008

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New Approaches to Learning Chinese

New Approaches to Learning Chinese: Rapid Literacy in Chinese (Chinese-English) by Zhang Pengpeng:
http://www.studychineseculture.com/book.asp?id=887

Specially designed with brand-new approaches for foreign students beginning to learn Chinese. The
concentrated training in character learning will enable the student to enter into the reading
stage in a short time and taste the satisfaction and enjoyment of fluent comprehension.

Uses 750 commonly used Chinese characters and 1300 words formed from them to make 25 short
sentences, 25 conversational dialogues and four narrative prose pieces.

The series now have several different versions, such as in Arabic, in French, in German, in
Russian, in Spanish:
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passable Polish (comprehension better than...

passable Polish (comprehension better than speaking like in most cases), got it for free from my
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Koneko -

Further to my discussion with bomaci here.

I can now conclude that 帖 & 贴 are actually 同声异体字 after consulting my dictionary.

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Originally Posted by 现代汉语大词典

帖(tie1) 同贴(tie3)

However, I still strongly feel that 帖子 should be pronunced as "tie1zi3" not "tie3zi3"
Change of two third tones, remember?

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However, I still strongly feel that 帖子 should be pronunced as "tie1zi3" not "tie3zi3"

I'm afraid that 帖子 should be pronunced as tie3zi5.

According to the 现代汉语词典
帖 tie1
(1)服从；顺从：服服帖帖
（2）妥当；稳当：妥帖

帖 tie3
（1）邀请客人的通知：请贴
（2）旧时写着生辰八字等的纸片：换帖
（3）写着字的纸片：字帖儿（便条）
（4）量词，配合汤药使用：一帖药

帖 tie4
学习书法或绘画时临摹用的样本：碑帖、习字帖、画帖

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